4:00pm at Kram
Location: Plenary Floor, Kram Palexpo, Tunis, Tunisia
G'Morning!
Woke up this morning feeling very refreshed; my first full
night of sleep in over a week, I think. Sang in French in
the shower, took a taxi to city center and then wardrove on
the bus to WSIS - as I suspected, there were not many APs,
except at the fancy hotels. There were even one or two WSIS
access points in downtown, which surprised me. The guy next
to me was a 28-year-old Bangladeshi who had just won an
award from WSIS for teaching a group of 15 kids about
technology and computer science. Apparently network
connections there are not very good - there are no submarine
cables to speak of, so everything's over VSAT. Local
infrastructure (LANs & WLANs) are pretty good, though,
which gives me confidence that once these guys get a good
backdrop, their country will be pretty much set, save for
the kind of political issues that have plagued other
single-drop, corrupt-government countries like Fiji and
Ghana. I managed to get a GPS fix, woot. That was fun.
I then checked out the parallel TunisMed conference just
outside of WSIS and was utterly boggled by its point. There
were trinkets, casinos, and a snack bar, in a wildly unthemed
hodgepodge of companies operating in or vaguely related to
the Mediterranean. (Hence the name.) I'm mildly disgusted by
the fact that there were game companies advertising casino
machines in an event run in conjunction with a summit to make
an information society. I left quickly for WSIS.
War Walking WSIS
By the way, I noticed when doing a warwalk of WSIS that there
were a few hundred dummy SSIDs, perhaps to thwart some kind
of wireless attack? It was not at all clear to me what those
were doing - they had names that looked like buffer overflow
attacks to me. See the
Netstumbler log
for the results of my warwalk @ WSIS.
Wikipedia
I then strolled over to the Wikipedia presentation, in a
midsized room with maybe about 80 attendees.
Jimmy's theme for Wikipedia:
"Imagine that every human on earth is given access to the
sum knowledge of humankind." Funded by public donations,
small (50-100 euros). Now partnering with companies, like
gifts of servers from Yahoo, etc.
Wikipedia is using a new local chapter strategy.
The encyclopedia is organized by language but local
chapters are useful - Germany, France are active. Italy
and Poland coming online and other chapters are forming.
Wikipedia is freely licensed. It's now large - English version
has ~800,000 articles. (500m words!) Larger than Brittanica
and Encarta combined. German equal to Brauchaus. Over
100,000 articles in many major languages. 2.5m+ articles in
~120 languages.
WikiBooks is the most exciting part of Wikimedia foundation
to Jimmy. Wants to give the set of literature needed to get
the populace to a level of literacy where the encyclopedia
in their language actually makes sense.
Wikimedia Commons: generally language-neutral: images, sounds,
and video. All freely-licensed and easy to use. Infrastructure
point for the free culture movement.
Wikimedia foundation has TWO employees: Jimmy's assistant and
a paid fulltime developer. Everyone else (including Jimmy) is
volunteer.
WP is now a top 40 website.
Reach is more broad than NY Times, WSJ, MSNBC, Chicago Tribune,
all combined. 2.4 billion pageviews monthly.
No business deals or need to closely watch stats (other than for
amusement). This is about 2x about.com. (ed: whoa!) About.com
was sold for $410m!!! (ed: wikipedia then worth ~$1bn?)
>120 servers in Paris, Amsterdam, US, South Korea. All managed by
volunteers. Would be $ to do this if had to hire and pay volunteers.
Relatively small group of loud volunteers. Are these loud people
actually the contributors, or is it the case that a million people
are writing a sentence or two?
Tested hypothesis - 80% of the work by 20% of the people? No, more
concentrated than that:
- 50% of the edits by 0.7% of the volunteers
- 75% of the edits by 2% of the volunteer
- 746 people had done 72.8% of the edits
So the noisy people ARE the contributors, as it turns out. Not
really millions of strangers adding to Wikipedia sentence by
sentence.
Secret to Wikipedia - realtime peer review. Recent Changes page,
watchlist, versioning, easy reversion.
Can use people to replace software, not vice verse - e.g., Votes
for Deletion. Good to not automate - minority may have a better
reasoned argument. (ed: more like the US judicial system than
the US legislative system!) Tough debates surprisingly not over
the George Bush page, but instead more on which picture of
Eiffel Tower to use.
Mild aristocracy within community - reputation empowers.
Mild monarchy - Jim. Cited "I am the Queen of England" in German paper.
NOT a benevolent dictator model - deeply inappropriate for a
compendium of all human knowledge. Over time, power being reduced.
Neonazis tried to get some pages deleted by ganging into
Wikipedia and voting for deletion certain pages - they failed,
but what if they had succeeded? Answer: Jimmy blocks. Gives a
core to the core values. Flexible about social methodology,
value results more than methodology.
Freedom of speech critical for all cultures. Strong correlation
between successful wikipedias and cultures with free speech.
(ed - Of course, but wow! Neat to see.)
Consequence of silencing citizenry prevents them from producing
information, not just consuming information.
Wikipedia just blocked in China. Was happy to not be blocked
before, has assumed to be error. HOPING that this is just an
error, but not sure.
Affect of Chinese blocking on Wikipedia - Chinese can no longer
contribute to Chinese wikipedia (edits to cn wikipedia fell by
half since blocking). Mainland Chinese vs Taiwanese standpoint;
mainland voices are silences, so Wikipedia possibly developing
systemic bias towards Taiwan.
(ed Q: Doesn't this produce increasing justification?)
A: Perhaps, but we hope that not, due to Neutral Point of View
policies within Wikipedia. And we hope that the Chinese ban is
lifted shortly. NPOV is empotionally difficult but is what makes
a "good Wikipedian".
Conclusion? Repression of opposition ends up under representing
one's own point of view!
The multilingual aspect of Wikipedia is trying to give
minorities ability to express their viewpoint.
(ed Q: but if the view is in their language only, won't that
end up marginalizing their visibility to the average person?)
Cross-language surfing - different languages bring different
perspectives.
(ed Q: But doesn't this only work for multilingual readers?)
(ed Q: Doesn't this end up spreading the knowledge thinly
across multiple languages, making it impossible to get the
full perspective?)
Exmaple of translation of the week: broadcast to volunteers a
request to translate a given page into as many languages as possible!
Folks are now adding pronounciations of people's names in
various languages and common phrases in various languages.
Wikisource - public domain text, xlated multilang.
Two years ago, Wikipedia got Arabic version. Now ~7500,
hopefully 10k articles in next few months. Public domain Arabic
works getting added to Wikisource. An Arabic wictionary is out.
Arabic spoken in 25+ countries. This covers a diverse group of
speakers, differing wildly in opinions about many topics.
(Politics, religion, history) Discussion pages are very useful.
Amazingly enough, there are no Brittanica-like encyclopedia in
Arabic, so a successful future Arabic Wikipedia would be the
first Arabic encyclopedia of quality!
David Q: Encyclopedia gives one authoritative place to go, but
different projects and languages end up diluting the real value
of wikipedia - creates cultural walls around languages.
A: Well, people translate articles, so the good bits end up
getting propagated to all wikis. Also, some stuff may end up
coming across in different ways in different languages and
that's good. And many people can only contribute in their own
language.
(ed: I'm not satisfied with this, as most people are having to
learn English for other reasons anyhow, and whatever is lost by
forcing people to a single language that's not native is more
than gained by offering a SINGLE point of discussion and
interchange - in fact Wikimedia gave the example of Lithuanians
and Estonians banging out an agreement on certain articles in
the English wiki! Having other languages and other projects
like Wikinews hurts Wikimedia more than it helps.)
Wikipedia has made some decent amount of money in licensing
fees from Wikipedia trademark, such as in Germany. (ed: wow!)
How we get enough servers to keep the site running
happily is main issue. Monetary needs pretty small.
Just need to pay the bandwidth bills, get money from
public for that. Volunteering is main way this works.
(e.g., Red Cross / Crescent)
BBC News Q - Are there folks who may want more ($) from this?
A - career benefit, good on resume, better writer, better
tech. Will ppl get bored? Jimmy hopes not.
A Tunisian says - Arab world not homogenous. Not a good idea to mix it.
A - IS a good idea to mix! Need everyone involved to avoid biases.
Q - why no to ads?
A - Jimmy opposed, but won't say never.
Wants to leave things openended. Don't need the
money. If we're truning odwn millions a month turning
down oppty to distribute wikipedia to developing world
would be dumb. But right now, ad revenue would damage
grants and perceived independence. (eg, could never
take out negative comments about Yahoo - laughter)
For forseeable future, no ads.
Audience member - Ads change perspective, absolutely.
Audience member (Goethe Institute) - UNESCO affiliation possible?
A - yeah. but we're crazy Internet people (laughter), so our
influence is bigger than our capacity to network.
Hard as one guy out of his house to call up UNESCO!
Q - Biases in wisdom of wikipedia toward the literate
and the young, but wisdom found in the old and often
the illiterate. They can't contribute.
A - We'd love to have hundreds of Nepalese wikipedians
but we can't just yet. UNESCO partnership would be
helpful in this case. Example of Malian volunteer
putting in spoken knowledge into Bambalan / French
Wiki. Japanese wiki folks discuss, then change,
Americans do the opposite. (laughter) Negative version
will never be implemented, eg "not allowed to post if
you're not approved by elder".
Q - What if there were to be no figurehead for Wikipedia?
A - That's our hope. Maybe we'll need figurehead for
parades (laughter), but I hope not. Easier for the
Brits to grasp than Americans (Americans ask - where
is the Constitution? Brits used to process.) E.g.,
already with German wikipedia. (Germans have to work
it out themselves, since Jimmy doesn't speak German.)
A2 - We cannot handle the organization like a wiki.
It's inefficient. If a server goes down, it needs to
be fixed, shouldn't have to wait for the community to
agree to fix it.
Q - Why is there no disclaimer on Wikipedia? This
bugs researchers. This process can't be authoritative.
Peer review is much better for accuracy, and is what
actually happens with Britannica - can take it for
fact. Can't do that with Wikipedia. Something edited
by the public.
A - Deep question about Wikipedia & what it means to
be authoritative. Within the community, views are
traditional (accuracy, sources, neutrality). Difft
from standard processes, but same values. Better
than Britannica in some areas than worse. "People
will look at Britannica and say 'This was written
by one person and reviewed by two? How can I possibly
trust it?'" Not like a million random websites;
ongoing process of improvement. Not yet up to
traditional articles in encyc, but rapid improvement.
If we keep improving, hopeful of achieving very high
quality. Objective - Britannica or better quality.
A2 - We have academics who contribute, eg Wikisource.
Important to challenge academics.
A - Multiplier effect of acadmics and professionals
with volunteers. E.g., ornitholigist monitoring
bird articles by amateurs, just making sure they're
correct but don't have the time to add themselves.
Q - How do you get feedback form community?
A - It's a pretty noisy community. (laughter)
IRC, email, discussion boards. 40 IRC chans!
Q - (from University of Lille, France professor of linguistics)
When she doesn't know, tells students to use Wikipedia.
Q - BBC News. Was at Google, heard "even bad information is
good information". (ed: talking about hate pages)
Is the same true for Wikipedia?
A - We don't like bad information, but we expect to
have good information about bad topics. Attempt to
be tasteful. Not that titillating. Different from
search engine (also useful) - we don't post rants.
Q - quantitative measures for tracking neutrality?
A - Um, no. Hard to do. Involves human judgement.
C't did assessment of German Encarta, Brachaus, and
Wikipedia for a few articles and wikipedia fared
well, but very hard to do. Once computers can assess
accuracy or quality, we'll just let them write the
articles.
Q - Autodeletion of low-use articles to trim?
A - Um, no. No auto-deletion ever. For next version
of software, simple system for rating articles. We
plan to at first just gather data. Might not even
publish the data. (Where are we getting 5s? 1s?)
A system for identifying bad content would be
helpful. Even one page view a year is still useful.
Plenary Session
I then headed over to the plenary room. Most of the
talk was by very, very important and powerful people
who clearly have no idea about what the Internet is,
why it works, or how they'll benefit. They use very
big and generic words to say pretty much nothing, and
everyone claps. Most of the language concerns how
great everything is going and how important the summit
is. People are happy to feel important. Poor countries
tend to talk about how they don't like being poor, and
repressive regimes tend to talk about how dangerous
the Internet is.
Saudi delegation says it should be "WECANN" instead of
"ICANN". Out of technical considerations, I'm sure.
Libyan minister says the internet is used for plane
hijacking and needs to be regulated. People laughed
incredulously. What crack is he on?
Venezuala compares American control over the Internet to
the Spanish control of sea routes in the 19th century.
This is wildly off, since the Spanish actually got a cut
of the traffic, but the US government does not profit
from its oversight of ICANN.
Wireless pretty bad in most places in the conference, get
kicked off all the time, except for in the plenary hall,
where it's pretty decent.
Thoughts About Tunisia
Tunisia has pretty tremendous identity issues, due to it
history and location. It's in Africa, but its members
don't look or act African. It borders the mediterranean
but doesn't feel equal with Italy or Greece. It's populated
by Arabs, but due to Tunisian language being a mix between
Arabic and French, other Arabs don't understand Tunisian,
making Tunisia strictly a consumer (rather than a producer)
of Arabic culture, isolating them. Because of the bitterness
that remains between French and Tunisians, Tunisians feel as
French as Canadians feel American, or less.
So the Tunisians are neither truly French, nor truly Arabic,
nor truly Mediterranean, nor truly African. They want to be
included in these groups but don't know how. They are
consumptive members of these four societies and struggle to
contribute to any.
In my perspective, the Tunisians should give up on joining
one of the existing clubs. The troubles had so far are not
about to be reconciled any time soon. Instead, Tunisia
should band together with Algeria, Morrocco, and Libya to
create and embrace a "French North Africa" club that is
Muslim, French, Arabic, and bordering the Mediterranean.
This group could share intensely from a cultural perspective
and could serve as a gateway from Europe (and the world) to
Africa. I talked with a woman who had to take flights through
London to get from South Africa to West Africa, and flights
between African nations **usually* require a European hub,
making interstate travel tiring and expensive; the double-
whammy of earning less money and having to pay more money
for trade is much of what slows Africa down.
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